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Will we ever learn?
I doubt it.

Guy "Guido" Fawkes, an Englishman who converted to Catholicism as a teenager in the time when Catholicism was no longer the state religion but a proscribed and persecuted one, and then went to fight on the side of the empire that had tried quite hard to invade and conquer England when he was eighteen, came back with explosives training and joined an attempt by a radicalized member of an old ruling dynasty (whose father had been arrested and tried for harboring Catholic clerics due to fears that Catholics were supporting and aiding said foreign invasion) to destroy the British government in protest against the Penal Laws that to their disappointment had not been ended by a new administration as expected.

The plot only failed because someone among of the plotters had qualms and in effect whistleblew upon themselves to warn away a sympathizer in the government before the event, followed by the discovery of the planted explosives and the sapper himself in the course of searching the unsecured building on November 5th, 1605.

Re-authorization of judicial torture by executive fiat, which had been banned in the interrim since the Armada, didn't didn't actually work to yield any of the other conspirators, although prototypical police work - and a possible double-agent - did. That is to say, Fawkes didn't reveal anyone who might have another bomb ticking away in another undetected rented storage unit somewhere near government center, until after it would have been too late.

It did however eventually provide more suspects to torture and execute and validation of all the fears of the majority Protestant population and leadership regarding Catholics being dangerous traitors, leading to more repression justified as a reaction to the Gunpowder Plot.

The people calling today for more torture of suspects and persecution of Muslims in America as a result of the horrible but not unprecedented fragging at Ft. Hood, TX, on November 5th, 2009, ought to see the parallels, have little-to-no excuse not to, but almost certainly won't if they haven't yet.

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antonia_tiger From: antonia_tiger Date: November 6th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
There are some pretty strong reasons to think that the whole thing was a set-up. The quantity of gunpowder was implausibly huge, for England at that time, and pretty much a state monopoly.

Heck, they knew about Kit Wright, and were watching him. Twigmoor Hall was notorious as the madrassa of its day.

I don't think it would be a wild conspiracy theory to point at some of the similar oddities surrounding 9/11.
julifolo From: julifolo Date: November 6th, 2009 06:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Guy Fawkes Day

Most of the year, I like that my birthday is Guy Fawkes Day, but my birthday week is usually a bummer because it's usually an election week & more Gays lose to homophobe amendments & inititives. And now a massacre -- yesterday was not happy.

I'm sure harassment about his name/religion & non-support of the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan contribute to why he got so angry or went crazy ... isn't a usual segregation tactic to push, push, push the "bad" people group in town till someone snaps, and then over-punish.

In the next-door (larger) town, an unarmed teen got killed by police in broad daylight early October. The teens were not truants, their school was out that day. Was raining & a lost key, so trying to get into a window. If the police would have *asked^ the kids would have said "it's my aunts house" but it went bad quickly. It wasn't the Chief of Police's gun that fired the killing bullet, but he was there. So the other policeman is probably going to be shielded to protect the Chief. Horrendous.

nenya_kanadka From: nenya_kanadka Date: November 6th, 2009 09:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think I'm just...not going to check the blogosphere for reactions to the Ft. Hood shooting, because even at the remove of something like Sadly, No! it will just make my heart sick.

*sigh*

*remembers to wear her poppy today*
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