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"God says I don't have to listen to you, nyah nyah!" - Nothing New Under The Sun
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"God says I don't have to listen to you, nyah nyah!"
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randwolf From: randwolf Date: August 3rd, 2006 01:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I have to admit I burst out laughing. I know, I know, these sorts of teachings do horrible harm. But I just can't take it seriously. What, you think *god* cares whether it goes in or out? (Alternatively, if god is male, what size..., um, never mind.)

... and I wonder if he believes that women judges have no authority over him?
From: anna_wing Date: August 3rd, 2006 03:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Or female police officers. Or female tax inspectors. That would be amusing to see.
nenya_kanadka From: nenya_kanadka Date: August 3rd, 2006 10:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that's what I was wondering--is he going to file with the ACLU (or, you know, whoever's not Evil Liberals but serves the same function of protecting his rights) if he's ever in court and the judge rules against him and happens to be female?
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: August 3rd, 2006 12:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

well, see, I think that's why he makes that special definition

of Authority as meaning only "religious teaching authority" which is why I say "why does he even bother stating this? it's a neener-neener thing" because he *also* is under no moral obligation to obey the theological beliefs of a) the guy at the gas station, b) the guy on the bus, c) his male boss, d) the Dalai Lama, e) Bob Marley, f) George W. Bush, g) random televangelist dude, because none of these males are validly ordained Catholics, and don't have any say over Catholics in matters of belief and nobody thinks they do. It's a simple matter of club jurisdiction: it isn't any different, really, from different sports leagues or different gaming leagues or anything. You don't hear people going around making a big deal of how they belong to X chapter and don't have to listen to the officers of Y chapter of Starfleet.

And very few Catholics, or Christians of any stripe, *these* days, think they don't have a "general obligation" to obey the law and its officers, no matter what religion or any those individuals may belong to. You won't hear anyone - or if you do, they're Dominionists trying to roll the clock back to the 1600s - saying that Christians shouldn't have to follow speed limits or pay parking tickets or anything, because it's a Godless state with no authority over them.

Like most male chauvinists, like my atheist sexist relatives, the ones who think it's unnatural for women to be in charge blame it on Modernity and the Decline of Society Today - but obey policewomen etc, resentfully, grumbling in private or on blogs - and do their damnedest (bad pun intended) to simply avoid situations where they have to be in a subordinate relationship to a mere female.

The *only* reason for Armstrong to go on like this, is that he felt a need to vent about how much he disrespects women particularly, even above heretic males, and how much he loooooves belonging to an organization which validates this. (But some of his best friends are women...)
nenya_kanadka From: nenya_kanadka Date: August 4th, 2006 06:32 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: well, see, I think that's why he makes that special definition

(But some of his best friends are women...)

Yeah, how does that work? Do they consider themselves good friends with him? Or do they not *get* that he's being an arse, or does he not say this stuff to them, or what? Female lurkers support him in email?
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: August 5th, 2006 03:42 pm (UTC) (Link)

The ones he names specifically, I *know* most of them

in the less-than-six-degrees way. Rhonda Chervin, Kim Hahn, Elizabeth Eliot and Alice Von Hildebrand all write book after book explaining why Feminism is Bad! and men should be treated like the noble Christ-imagers they are, full of your typical strawfeminist-who-yells-at-men who open the door for her contrasted with the lovely, feminine girl who is rewarded for her anti-feminism by chivalrous guys leaping to change her tire for her. Elliot had an essay I read once, going on about how the fact that Satan tempted Eve first proved that women were weaker and needed male headship. The sorts of women like this gal are of course going to feel flattered and be happy to suck up to some guy who says he hates feminists but "you're not like those OTHER girls" - that's how they were raised, or else how they have reacted to the sexist "you're just a piece of meat" ethos, and they don't know any other way to be.
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