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"God says I don't have to listen to you, nyah nyah!"
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bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: August 7th, 2006 11:04 pm (UTC) (Link)

what i meant was, some people can only worship

something identical to, and therefore as small as, themselves. They may *say* they believe in an Infinite, Unknowable, Deity - but what they *really* worship has to be as human, petty, feeble - and gendered - as themselves. Others don't even reach that level of schizophrenia: "God is a white male" someone distantly related to me once said, unironically, this person being Joe Ordinary Sixpack American, and outraged at the idea that Jesus H. Christ was - gasp - a Jew, let alone that The Divine could be conceived of as Feminine, or that any sort of attributes were more along the lines of analogy (as in Negative Theo) than anything literal, back in the heady days of the 1960s. They have to make a deity they can be comfortable with, reflecting back all their own prejudices and desires and validating them with a halo. The *real* idolatry, as it were.

This isn't an original observation: Xenophanes the early Gk philosopher said of his contemporaries, that everyone depicts the gods to look like themselves, blond or brunette or black - but if horses and oxen had hands and could make paintings and statues, they'd sculpt them to look like horses and cows! arguing against the idea of anthropomorphic deities, generations before Socrates.

As far as why the Religious Left is not seeming so very far left, that isn't something I can give a simple answer to. Some of them, it's not so bad, I think - jst that they take gender equality and the Divine Feminine so much fr granted they don't need to talk about it (they think.) Others - well, I'm feeling like kicking the lot of them of late (at least the blogging part, that I know of) for being over eager to comfort the comfortable and assure them that oh no, we won't mention anything embarrasing like needles or camels, oh no Mr Dives! The US left isn't very far left, generally, is part of the problem. Secular *or* religious. In any way.

As to why

julifolo From: julifolo Date: August 8th, 2006 09:13 am (UTC) (Link)

As to why

... well, that's the question. :(

A bunch of people don't want to think, want a comfortable god that shares their bigotries.

I'm interested in what religious people who *think*, and are doing the hard work -- I'd like to find a link to an essay or talk, on the order of the two speeches above that left me feeling strange -- on what whoever's religion has to say about female biology. Even if the summation amounts to "It's a mystery". It would make me feel less alienated if some stranger was feeling the same disconnect I am.

I know my logic "skills" are fuzzy. Am I wrong to conclude there's a problem here? Or am I so angry that I'm seeing dismissials where such wasn't intended? IE, in the middle of a social justice riff (which I agree with) is the implication of "that's the way god made women, get with the program".
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