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Genre-Zombie says: I can has critic?
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fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 7th, 2007 04:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Aw, rats, you're no fun

Feud? And I was after hoping I'd be invited for tea and scones..... (after all, I do live just off Waterford St)... I can has brains?
From: deiseach Date: July 8th, 2007 12:41 am (UTC) (Link)

Wars have started over less

I'm practically nearly certain it is obligatory (for the sake of our fannish credentials) to swear undying enmity and duel to the death (lightsabres optional) over the finer points of minutiae such as the exact phrasing an undead cyborg bionic alien warrior princess genre zombie would use as it lurched stiff-legged and decomposing towards its terrified victim.

And you were the one mentioned Daleks - dude! no!

*Has* to be the Cybermen, what else in this context?

(Cyberman? Cyberwoman? Damn it, has political correctness reached this far and should I be saying Cyberperson?)
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 8th, 2007 02:29 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Wars have started over less

Does that mean no tea and scones? Drat!

You're right, it should be the Cyberfolk.... Only they never said EX-TER-MI-NATE.

From: deiseach Date: July 8th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Not really a scone person

But knock yourself out - here's some virtual strawberry jam (the Wexford strawberries are in season right now) and some cream, and a nice strong cup of Barry's tea.

Milk? How many sugars?

"Only they never said EX-TER-MI-NATE"

And we're back where we started: just what would a zombie utter if it didn't mewl as it tottered grimly onwards? And that's "mewl (cry weakly or softly)", not "mew/meow/miaow (sound zombielolcatz make)" Sure, there's the ever-popular low, guttural moaning, but still - and besides, I don't think they want to exterminate, more assimilate (oh great, now I've dragged the Borg in.)

Hey, the Borg! Cyborg bionic alien warrior princess - that's covered, save for the undead bit. Zombie Borg? Whaddya think? *Is* it possible for Borg to be zombies, what with the nanotech and all? The way Seven resurrected Neelix after he was well dead? And as a digression - why? Neelix was finally dead and gone and well and truly an ex-annoyance, and they brought him back! Noooo!!!!

I'm telling you, this discussion could run and run!
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: July 8th, 2007 12:00 pm (UTC) (Link)

brain...broken...divide by cucumber--

The way Seven resurrected Neelix after he was well dead? And as a digression - why? Neelix was finally dead and gone and well and truly an ex-annoyance, and they brought him back! Noooo!!!!

You're kidding, right?

I didn't see a whole lot of that show, but - WTF? They killed off Neelix [Yay! Most annoying comic relief pre-Jar-Jar EVAR] and then they brought him back again?!?!?!

Why? For the love of Murphy, WHY?????
From: deiseach Date: July 8th, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: brain...broken...divide by cucumber--

It was in "Mortal Coil", the 12th episode of the 4th season. Details here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Coil_(Voyager_episode)

As to why they did it, no idea other than to (1) show off the awesomeness of the Borg and Seven of Nine (2) to make some cutesy point about family and all that jazz with that Talaxian festival (yes, yet another Talaxian festival, I'm afraid); also maybe about religion, though I'm danged if I know what it was - religion is false, we're all gone when we die since the soul does not survive, there's no such thing as the soul, there's no afterlife, but never mind, we can still pretend and believe in those fairytales because they give us a warm, fuzzy feeling? (3) er, um, they thought Neelix was popular? Yes, they got rid of Kes and kept Neelix. Yet more proof that whoever was in charge of "Voyager" had no idea what they were doing; the dog's dinner they made of that series, which could have been half-decent... but I digress.

Ooh - Neelix could have been a zombie! Brought back without a soul by Borg nanoprobes - sounds close enough to me!

nenya_kanadka From: nenya_kanadka Date: July 20th, 2007 11:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: brain...broken...divide by cucumber--

they got rid of Kes and kept Neelix

You know, I never really minded Neelix. But this puts a different spin on it--I so wanted them to keep Kes! (We do not speak of her returning as evil superpowered smasher of ships later.)

And Seven was fascinating from the angle of what *would* it be like to come back from being Borg--I just wish a) more time in a Starfleet uniform or regular clothes, instead of catsuit, and b) that Picard didn't get all the sympathy for having been Locutus. Yeah, it was hard being Borg for three days--try eighteen years!

Loving the idea of Borg-as-space-zombies, though... :P
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 8th, 2007 01:11 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Not really a scone person

Resistance is futile. Must have braaaaaaaaaaaains. (Actually, the more interesting question is whether the Borg are alive as we understand the term, given that they are a blend of organic and inorganic components).

Actually, I thought the resurrection of Neelix was an interesting trope (afterwards, he loses his religion).

Strawberry jam sounds lovely. I never take milk in my tea.
From: deiseach Date: July 8th, 2007 11:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Not really a scone person

Are the Borg alive as we understand it? Depends upon the proportion of inorganic to organic in their systems, I guess, and since Seven demonstrates that the organic life can exist after removal of most of the modifications, I would take it that they are alive.

The 'religion has been disproven because Neelix came back and saw nothing' - eh. Maybe, maybe not. The objections to that are (1) his soul is gone; the nanoprobes merely re-animated the corpse (zombieNeelix!) and so that does not prove the falsity of Talaxian beliefs; (2) his soul did come back but in his mortal state he forgot all he had witnessed in the spiritual realm; (3) he wasn't really all that dead (just a bit dead ;-)) since he was capable of being resuscitated and so he wasn't dead enough to have the Talaxian death experience; (4) not all Talaxians get the whole mystic experience, same as only some humans have mystic experiences.

Seeing as how we had no mention beforehand of Neelix being religious, or of his religion meaning anything to him, I am less than moved by this episode than the writers might have hoped. Mainly I was just "Nooo! He was dead, dead, deddly-dead, and they brought him back! Why? Why???"
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 8th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Not really a scone person

But Seven of Nine may be a special case (after all, she's also responsible for Barack Obama).

But Neelix did not come back with a hunger for brains (or a lessened ability to annoy).

On the third hand, if I remember correctly, that episode was written by Brannon Braga and his entry on Wikipedia lists him as an atheist.

I can understand your feelings about Neelix, I went through a very long 'Wesley must die' period until he sort of grew on me. And Neelix was even more annoying than Wesley.
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 01:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Ah, but consider

Prolonged exposure to Neelix resulted in the viewer being rendered a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

I maintain that the deleterious affect upon the viewer's brain is, indeed, proof of the traditional zombie hunger for brains - just slightly rejigged as befits an alien spacezombie from the 24th century.
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)

Leola root!

A traditonal Talaxian dish, my foot.

Where the heck were they getting fresh leola roots from, hmmm? Talaxia was parsecs away, and don't tell me hydroponics - where would a Federation hydroponic garden get Talaxian vegetables to grow?

No, it was actually brains he was cooking, which is why everyone else found the recipes so disgusting, but he was clever enough to disguise his hideous appetite as 'oh it's a traditional Talaxian dish made from leola roots, don't mind if it's all grey and lumpy and mushy, that's how it's supposed to look'.

Yeah, right, Mr. SpaceZombie!
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 02:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Leola root!

So that's why Kes rejected him...
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 01:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, but consider

Somehow, I can't see you as a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

But your argument is interesting. Neelix as alien space-zombie. Of course, since he was resurrected by Seven of Nine* using Borg technology he could be counted as an alien cyborg zombie...


* I had to look this up.
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, but consider

Somehow, I can't see you as a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

But your argument is interesting. Neelix as alien space-zombie. Of course, since he was resurrected by Seven of Nine* using Borg technology he could be counted as an alien cyborg zombie...


* I had to look this up.
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