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Genre-Zombie says: I can has critic?
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From: deiseach Date: July 8th, 2007 11:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Not really a scone person

Are the Borg alive as we understand it? Depends upon the proportion of inorganic to organic in their systems, I guess, and since Seven demonstrates that the organic life can exist after removal of most of the modifications, I would take it that they are alive.

The 'religion has been disproven because Neelix came back and saw nothing' - eh. Maybe, maybe not. The objections to that are (1) his soul is gone; the nanoprobes merely re-animated the corpse (zombieNeelix!) and so that does not prove the falsity of Talaxian beliefs; (2) his soul did come back but in his mortal state he forgot all he had witnessed in the spiritual realm; (3) he wasn't really all that dead (just a bit dead ;-)) since he was capable of being resuscitated and so he wasn't dead enough to have the Talaxian death experience; (4) not all Talaxians get the whole mystic experience, same as only some humans have mystic experiences.

Seeing as how we had no mention beforehand of Neelix being religious, or of his religion meaning anything to him, I am less than moved by this episode than the writers might have hoped. Mainly I was just "Nooo! He was dead, dead, deddly-dead, and they brought him back! Why? Why???"
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 8th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Not really a scone person

But Seven of Nine may be a special case (after all, she's also responsible for Barack Obama).

But Neelix did not come back with a hunger for brains (or a lessened ability to annoy).

On the third hand, if I remember correctly, that episode was written by Brannon Braga and his entry on Wikipedia lists him as an atheist.

I can understand your feelings about Neelix, I went through a very long 'Wesley must die' period until he sort of grew on me. And Neelix was even more annoying than Wesley.
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 01:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Ah, but consider

Prolonged exposure to Neelix resulted in the viewer being rendered a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

I maintain that the deleterious affect upon the viewer's brain is, indeed, proof of the traditional zombie hunger for brains - just slightly rejigged as befits an alien spacezombie from the 24th century.
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 01:17 am (UTC) (Link)

Leola root!

A traditonal Talaxian dish, my foot.

Where the heck were they getting fresh leola roots from, hmmm? Talaxia was parsecs away, and don't tell me hydroponics - where would a Federation hydroponic garden get Talaxian vegetables to grow?

No, it was actually brains he was cooking, which is why everyone else found the recipes so disgusting, but he was clever enough to disguise his hideous appetite as 'oh it's a traditional Talaxian dish made from leola roots, don't mind if it's all grey and lumpy and mushy, that's how it's supposed to look'.

Yeah, right, Mr. SpaceZombie!
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 02:21 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Leola root!

So that's why Kes rejected him...
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 01:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, but consider

Somehow, I can't see you as a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

But your argument is interesting. Neelix as alien space-zombie. Of course, since he was resurrected by Seven of Nine* using Borg technology he could be counted as an alien cyborg zombie...


* I had to look this up.
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 02:13 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, but consider

Somehow, I can't see you as a slackjawed, drooling idiot.

But your argument is interesting. Neelix as alien space-zombie. Of course, since he was resurrected by Seven of Nine* using Borg technology he could be counted as an alien cyborg zombie...


* I had to look this up.
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 05:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

Ah, you say the sweetest things

But you haven't seen me first thing in the morning (which for me, means up to twelve noon).

Well, I always knew Kes was sensible - and I know she had a built-in expiry date, but y'know, by the power of technobabble, they *could* have knocked Neelix off and kept Kes - say in some big sacrifical scene where he gives up his life for her (and somehow by hand-wavium extends her livespan) something like, I dunno, the Magic Box in Babylon 5 that cured Ivanova at the expense of Marcus's life.

After all, seeing as how she donated one of her lungs to him, it was the least he could do. Besides, he's an alien cyborg space-zombie - it's not like he was anything more than a re-animated corpse that shouldn't have been walking around in the first place ;-)
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 06:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, you say the sweetest things

You have a point there. And Kes was a more interesting character. But they needed to get rid of her to bring in Seven of Nine, since Jeri Ryan seemed more likely to bring in the teenage male audience.
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: July 9th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC) (Link)

and of course, everyone knows

we can't have equal numbers of male and female main characters on a show, that would totally unbalance it!
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 09:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: and of course, everyone knows

Oh, of course. Especially since, as we all know, the audience for television science fiction is made up exclusively of pre-teen and teen WASP and Jewish boys, and no non-white males and no females of any kind are actually interested. (The fact that Martin Luther King famously encouraged Nichelle Nichols to stay on The Original Series, of course, being swept under the table to lurk with all the non-white, non-male fen of all ages.)
From: deiseach Date: July 9th, 2007 10:30 pm (UTC) (Link)

Yes, because of course...

... more than one possible Lust Object would cause their little pointy heads to explode.

Er, on second thoughts...

That was one of the problems with "Voyager"; it veered wildly from character to character as whichever one seemed more popular at the time, hence we got loads of Chatokay, then loads of B'Elanna, then loads of Kes, then loads of the Doctor, then loads upon loads of Seven.

Instead of giving everyone a fair go (e.g. why didn't we see more of Vorik and the other Vulcans? Or a bit more of how the other Maquis characters were getting on? Or - a personal sore point - how come poor Harry Kim started and ended as an Ensign, when Tom Paris got all the promotion?)
fledgist From: fledgist Date: July 9th, 2007 06:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Ah, you say the sweetest things

You're a lucky lass if your job doesn't require that you're up before the cock. Mine does most of the year, alas. Then my wife berates me because I can stay in bed while she has to head to work!
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