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The biggest problem imo with organized religion
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From: violaswamp Date: December 7th, 2009 12:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Your theological posts are always fascinating.

I think we can take our remorse and channel it into benevolent action--but it never makes up for the wrong for which we feel remorse. There is no such thing as "making up for."
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: December 7th, 2009 12:45 am (UTC) (Link)

I have been told on occasion that I should enter a seminary

of some more - ahem! - universal-tending denomination, of course. I won't say there isn't a certain temptation in it, but - well, for one thing the logistics are as impassable as any other grad school adventure, if for nothing else. And besides I can wreak more havoc as an Independent it's not like there's a scarcity of conflicted and questing clerics today that only I might fill.

There is no such thing as "making up for."

So how do we erase this habit of thinking feeling? Because I've seen it occur, this Transactional or Bribe-Based Justice, between children who were barely old enough for language. Shoot, it's wrapped right up in child-rearing: parents lead children to expect that "good" behavior (that is, behavior the parents favor, even if it isn't always objectively safe, sane, or beneficial to society or the child) will and ought to lead to rewards, and bad (ie disapproved) behavior to punishments, and then of course they go and create massive cognitive dissonance by not holding themselves to their own standards or being inconsistent in applying the rules, just like bad dog trainers do, but the creation of the internal wiring that, frex, a misdeed can be "made up for" by good ones, well, we're in that season aren't we? "Naughty or nice" and the Big Beard in the Sky--!
From: violaswamp Date: December 7th, 2009 03:01 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: I have been told on occasion that I should enter a seminary

I see a distinction between the idea that good (i.e. beneficial) behavior should be rewarded and bad behavior punished (which is an element of the biological instinct for justice) and the idea that bad behavior and its consequences can somehow be erased or washed clean by good behavior.

I think it ought to be fairly easy to make it clear to children that yes, it's good to say sorry when you've hurt someone, and it's good to do nice things for them because you feel bad about hurting them, but that doesn't take away the hurt. If you hit little Timmy with your dump truck, you should apologize, and it's nice if you let him play with the dump truck if he wants to. But he still has the bruise on his head.

But then, I've never raised children, so I don't know if this actually *is* easy to convey.
bellatrys From: bellatrys Date: December 7th, 2009 09:14 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure, because it's so rarely tried - it's something that you'd have to really work very hard to eradicate and to inculcate a *mindfulness* that would stop people from doing acts of impulsive rage and wrong, *before* doing them, because there would be no catharsis in beating yourself up to be had. Guilt aka Remorse as a substitute for Empathy in social control mechanisms has *not* worked very well, judging by our history.
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